Using this device for temporary communications with S&R personnel...


  • Hi, 

    I appreciate your help as I get started with, what I believe, is the future of off grid communications for Search Teams.  Clearly, there are already some really robust systems out there that many search and rescue teams use already, but those are typically for full-time teams and generally too costly for casual searchers.  These systems feature robust two-way communications and some permit a 30K foot view of the terrain with almost realtime locations of searchers.

    What drew me to meshtastic is the coupling of text messages and almost realtime location of nodes on a simple, but effective map.  Coordinators can, if needed, mass the response of other personnel once the lost person is located.  

    For instance, a few years ago, I was involved in a search for around 12 mentally handicapped hikers who had wandered off with their female guide/counselor who happened to be 7 months pregnant.  The weather was dry when we got the call, but cool with predictions of heavy rain shortly after sunset.  The cool weather and rain given the victims could turn dangerous if the people weren't located and given adequate cover.  The Fire Department arrived and immediately set up a proper team of searchers, but had to carry loads of equipment to a location that might be the location of the victims.  All along the clock was running and cell coverage was spotty at best.  Since I wasn't a part of that team I offered to trek out to insure the victims didn't follow the trail we supposed they were on, which would have been the opposite direction of the Fire Department's search team.  Fortunately, the people were found long after dark, were ambulatory, and made it back to the rally point just before the heavy rains began.

    My point in all this verbage is to show that Meshtastic may have been a good supplimental tool for those of us who didn't have the HD tools used by the professional search team.  The grid basically failed us too.  We were searching in a cove below a large mountain.  

    I guess my question would be could the BRAVO units be good devices to attach to each searcher or small search team, with one or more RAK type device on the ridge above the search area?  Internet might be available at the rally point so maps could possibly be available to search managers. 

    I am not asking you to certify this approach would work, but wanted to see if the approach might be realistic enough to test while not in an actual search.  Since this area is prone to repeated lost hikers, solar RAK devices might be a good longer term / permanent device to station at the ridges in advance of any searches.  

    Thanks in advance.



  • I find it amazing that S&R still requires either large aircraft or dedicated Naval assets, where a drone would be sufficient and "flights" with processing found in ZoneMinder would be a better solution.  Big companies are big, expensive solutions.  Let's just find somebody, okay?  It might have made North Carolina an easier set of sub-tasks.


  • @Joe I believe each has its place.  Drones would surely be a great suplimental asset for, as you say, let's just find someone and I would add determine their status physically.  Save the heavy resources for extraction and extended missions where weather and range are a factor.  I think a lot of it comes down to money.  If you are identified as a professional you are pretty much obligated to biting the bullet and buy the off the shelf gear and technology identified as state of the art.  If you picked an open source tool as a "professional" and found the missing person you would be a hero.  If you never found the person and used an open source tool you would be a villan for not using the best available to find their loved one.  That is why I believe both are still needed even if wrongly so in some cases.  The bottom line is finding the person, determine their wellbeing and get them back to help/civilization as safely and quickly as possible.


  • I was not trying to discount the importance of a large asset.  One boat could launch a massive drone search for a particular area.  I've had to watch surveillance videos at which point the mind numbs. The computer is better at identifying anomalies or movement.  Those capabilities may be out there, and I'm just not seeing it deployed.


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